Built SR20DE+T vs SR20DET swap. What's the better value proposition?

m_davidson

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Hi there.
First post so please take it easy on me.

I have an s15 spec S. As with every spec S owner, you eventually want to turbo it, whether that be DE+T or DET swap it (and yes, I am aware I could have just bought a spec R to start off with. Unfortunately budget limitations means this was not possible and a phased approach worked better).

With the cost of DET's becoming increasingly more expensive, the question I have is "does it make more sense to drill, tap the DE, turbo it and build the internals or does it make more sense to DET swap it"
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The math doesn't appear to be far off.

I'm new to the S chassis and everything sr20, so please correct me if I say anything wrong, just please understand that the intention here is to start conversation and hopefully I'll learn along the way.

In years gone past, I would imagine everyone would have the immediate and simple answer of, "DET swap it. It will work out cheaper".
Today, I'm not sure the answer is as clear. You can most certainly turbo the DE including drilling and tapping (with the only real difference I can tell being from my research the lack of oil squirters and higher compression pistons vs DET) for quite a lot less than a DET swap. Then I would assume a build with middle of the road components could be done for a few thousand.

This same approach is often considered in the KA world from what I can gather from the guys in the US, whereby the cost of a SR20DET swap is so high that you can build the KA for cheaper.

What makes more sense and why?

From an inexperienced lense, the thought process is that I could probably build a DE+T to outperform a DET for a similar price to DET swapping it in the first place. Thoughts?

Thanks for the time to read this thread and thanks for any comments or guidance on this topic.
 
It depends what your power goal is, my knowledge is that a DE can make around +-300whp reliable and DET is +-370whp
If you are going to build it, the best option is the one that is cheapest, both blocks can handle more then you really need
It also comes down alot to your tune, fueling etc

For me it is overkill to build one as the power per HP gain goes out of the window and reliability gets cut in half if you put a stroker in etc
Does make sense because most of the DET blocks that get used and abused are unopend blocks pushing max 400whp

Moto IQ has an very interesting article about a stock and build sr20, what parts to use and what to expect
 
Cheers, I really appreciate the replies.

The power goal is loosely defined at the minute, I would suspect 275/300whp would be more than suitable. The figure I have in my head is 350 crank, but that's really as high as I would ever realistically be wanting to go.

It sounds to me like it may make more sense to simply turbo the DE.

Quick question:
It depends what your power goal is, my knowledge is that a DE can make around +-300whp reliable and DET is +-370whp

That 300whp figure, is that using the factory DE compression ratio (seen figures of 9.5:1 and also seen figures of 10:1) or is that after going to the lower compression ratio that the DET comes with?

I am in the fortunate position to have also got into the JZX platform before prices went crazy so I do have a chaser should I ever want big power. I do not see much value in chasing large power figures in the s chassis which is inherently nimble and reactive (for a street car. Drifting purposes is another story). The goal with the s15 is a balanced street car for UK & Irish roads.

Thanks.
 
Cheers, I really appreciate the replies.

The power goal is loosely defined at the minute, I would suspect 275/300whp would be more than suitable. The figure I have in my head is 350 crank, but that's really as high as I would ever realistically be wanting to go.

It sounds to me like it may make more sense to simply turbo the DE.

Quick question:


That 300whp figure, is that using the factory DE compression ratio (seen figures of 9.5:1 and also seen figures of 10:1) or is that after going to the lower compression ratio that the DET comes with?

I am in the fortunate position to have also got into the JZX platform before prices went crazy so I do have a chaser should I ever want big power. I do not see much value in chasing large power figures in the s chassis which is inherently nimble and reactive (for a street car. Drifting purposes is another story). The goal with the s15 is a balanced street car for UK & Irish roads.

Thanks.

Yeah I think that is with the stock compression, YouTuber Jimmy Oakes has build a DE+T setup with give or take 300hp and explains it all pretty good imo
 
In my opinion, choosing between a built SR20DE+T and an SR20DET swap depends on a few things. With SR20DET engine prices going up, turbocharging your DE (making it a DE+T) might save you some money. If you're okay with putting in more effort and know-how, you could make a DE+T that's even better than a stock SR20DET. But, remember that the SR20DET is made to handle turbocharging from the start, so it might be more reliable if you want to push for more power.
 
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