RWD vs 4WD

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axxelf

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So its winter here in Sweden now and my brother and i argued about which one can keep the most angel on snow ?
I said it wasn't that much different but he claimed that the 4WD was better, can anyone tell us which one is the best or if its up to the driver.

Thank you.;)
 
4WD right? with the front wheels not having anything keeping them moving foward.. the back end is going to want to over take too easily on a RWD?
 
4wd can do better/easier mega angle entries than RWD in all conditions (See Alm Racing etc for that, can chuck it in fully backwards and pull out of it no prob), but in the snow it happens at much more sensible speeds!

So yeah, 4wd wins.
 
Reviving an old thread for knowledge sake, but why is Awd "not drifting"? Is it because it's easier abd people tend to hate on easier things (i.e. crossfit kipping pull ups (which I will hate on given circumstances)).
 
Zygee said:
Reviving an old thread for knowledge sake, but why is Awd "not drifting"? Is it because it's easier abd people tend to hate on easier things (i.e. crossfit kipping pull ups (which I will hate on given circumstances)).
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It IS drifting, and it's deffo NOT easier.
 
I can be a little thick skulled sometimes so hopefully you guys can bare with me but why would AWD be harder to drift? I've never drifted aside from an ugly rolling burnout on my bike once so my knowledge is pretty limited. In min mind, having the rear axle NOT with a lsd would make it spin out (drift) easier and having a lsd in the front would allow control with less chance of spinning out the front wheels. I'm cool with being wrong, but if someone could explain (or direct me someplace that explains) so I learn why I'm wrong that'd be awesome.
 
As a shit example, imagine youre pushing your shopping trolley round Sainsburys - you get to the end of an aisle and replicate Saito, going to 90 degrees and possibly making screetchy noises as you go round the corner.

Now imagine you have a medium sized dog pulling ont he front of the trolley - you have to push faster and harder to get the same angle, and the balance between you and Muttley is a lot more difficult to maintain than when it was only you pushing from the rear.

Told you it was a shit example :wack:
 
docwra said:
As a shit example, imagine youre pushing your shopping trolley round Sainsburys - you get to the end of an aisle and replicate Saito, going to 90 degrees and possibly making screetchy noises as you go round the corner.

Now imagine you have a medium sized dog pulling ont he front of the trolley - you have to push faster and harder to get the same angle, and the balance between you and Muttley is a lot more difficult to maintain than when it was only you pushing from the rear.

Told you it was a shit example :wack:
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Its an example alright ;)
 
Zygee said:
I can be a little thick skulled sometimes so hopefully you guys can bare with me but why would AWD be harder to drift? I've never drifted aside from an ugly rolling burnout on my bike once so my knowledge is pretty limited. In min mind, having the rear axle NOT with a lsd would make it spin out (drift) easier and having a lsd in the front would allow control with less chance of spinning out the front wheels. I'm cool with being wrong, but if someone could explain (or direct me someplace that explains) so I learn why I'm wrong that'd be awesome.
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I don't think it's possible to be more backwards.

Drifting with an open rear diff is almost totally pointless it's that bad.

And even 4wd drifters (ie the few at Gatebil etc) tend to have open front diffs.
 
Oh, lots of wrong thoughts.

Just watch the front tyres while drifting. That is the main difference.

In a RWD you are countersteering from lock to lock. You can't hold (!) more angle than your steering can do. More throttle gives you more angle. In low grip conditions like ice and snow you can't really speed up. Without spikes I can run faster as your car.

You can flick/ebrake a AWD Car sideways and in this moment the steering gets almost straight. Now you hold it with throttle. All 4 wheels will scratch to get on the inside of the corner. A short countersteer and it will come back. That's the recipe for 90° angle on ice.

On snow and ice a AWD is definitely faster. More driven wheels - more traction. That simple.

But not every AWD car will do it fine. VW 4 Motion, BMW XDrive etc sucks. Subaru, Mitsubishi Evo and old (!) Audis are the ones to go.
 
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