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david_connoll
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And the prize for best constructive counter argument goes to homophobic danny-boi
prblmslvrs
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I know I would. I was actually quite impressed at how the commentary was quite decent as apposed to babbling on being deadly serious which was what I was expecting.
Hexa-dB
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Then why does this 6-page thread exist? Three of us have expressed discomfort with some of the things said and I'm sure some others feel the same way but probably don't want to upset the DW crew. Us older guys don't care
The playground "hahah ur gay" attitudes displayed here are pretty much why I never put any DW stickers on my car. Shame really.
david_connoll
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Whether you know it or mean it or not, calling someone a massive homo is a homophobic act. IT's like you knock someone down but didn't notice it, you didn't mean to and didn't notice you did it but it's still knocking someone down, yes it's less of a thing possibly than if you went out to knock that person down.
sparky_s13
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Andy318ti
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Probably not, I'm there to watch the skids not listen to the commentary.
Saying that though the last couple of years at knockhill there has been barely any commentary, for the 1st time I knew what was going on when and it made it a much better experience.
And there's caring and starting a thread on the subject.
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Phil_
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I would assume you are a defender of the PC culture we seem to be stuck with.
i know lots of folk i wouldn't invite to my house or want to spend more than a couple of minutes in their company and they are car nuts / drift boys/ rally anoraks / whatever incase that is how you define yourself in a 'positive' light?
I wouldn't refer to someone as a homo unless as per my post above i was specifically talking about the subject. as an abbreviation similar to hetro or bi.
and there is a pretty stark contrast between a discussion (that is generated by many people with different opinions) and whinging whereby you have started multiple threads on the same subject and declared your opinion in an attempt to start a arguement/disagreement.
regarding the pikey comments, its just another case of getting offended over reality.
most pikeys have lesser things : in terms of breeding options education healthcare and ultimately financial opportunities - resulting in their cars often times been noticeably below standard.
For the sake of clarity - Gay people arent a joke, a big gay wing is a joke.
someday jokes will be illegal i get that.
but lets celebrate that in the meantime you/gay people can take the micks out hetros for being so straight they have nasal hair and i can still laugh at anyone fella who wears skinny jeans.
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I called the 2 commentators gay ginger and English Cunts all within the first 3 seconds of seeing them and they didn't take offence at any of it well ben maybe did he's a proper fairy my point is this is a community I have hundreds of friends now all over the world with this HOBBY (remember that bit) this isn't even recognised as a proper motorsport yet never mind a sport,so kicking off saying this is preventing it hitting the mainstream is a bit shortsighted. We are a huge group with a similar interests we're all mates all the guys who have commentated so far have been drivers and they're speaking and taking the piss out of they're mates, it brings listeners into the drivers groups feels more personal. I don't want some wooden puppet (sorry pinochio no offense) spouting crap read off a page for 5 hours it's boring and dull and would put me to sleep. I know this because I have watched formula 1
david_connoll
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So our choices are F1 or how it is now for commentary, I didn't think I mentioned anywhere we should have F1 style commentary? Would Jarod DeAnda's commentary be classed as F1?
I fucking love drifting, I too have made friends in different countries through drifting. No matter if you're very different from who you talking to you have drifting in common to talk about. I'll be totally honest, yeah if someone came up and called me a gay ginger cunt etc, yep I'd nto be happy even if it was meant in a friendly way.
david_connoll
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I also like to have a laugh, fav comedians, Paul Foot, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Dara O Brian.
I have nasal hair, I have arm hair if that helps, I worked outdoors labouring for all my life, does this stuff help let me have an opinion different to others? Oh I'm also from a rough area in Dublin, I've had about 15 rwd drive cars, is this helping?
Honestly I'm trying simply say I'm not mad on the commentary what do you guys think and doing it in a respectful way even when told to STFU and gay slaggings by some of the posters, there are a few people who have a different opinions on here possibly more but possibly don't want to post anything cause they'll have same response I had simply for expressing an opinion.
I really hope gay jokes aren't made illegal, why would they be?
I'd probably judging by the comments made by some posters here not have the people over to mine for a piss up too, so what? What's that got to do with me being let have an opinion?
The lads were not the worst ever, just possibly leave out gay related jokes and Irish jokes, would you honestly say if these two types of jokes were left out it would ruin the commentary?
Also I started this one thread or did I make others wild pissed that I'm not aware of?
Loopy_drifter
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david_connoll
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My bad sorry.
scouse
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I drive a taxi and listen to people try and take my scouse accent of all the time and Im not arsed it's funny as fuck,even on the telly it's funny.
You're sense of humour is obviously not the same as most on here,you seem like the type of person who wants everyone to tow the line just because you don't like or are easily offended,
Just forget all that bollocks and skid a car and slap a tramp.
You're sense of humour is obviously not the same as most on here,you seem like the type of person who wants everyone to tow the line just because you don't like or are easily offended,
Just forget all that bollocks and skid a car and slap a tramp.
Bladerider
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I'll be 100% honest.
I can genuinely see both sides of the coin, and unlike most on this thread I have been responsible for both sides as well, so I can say with total certainty that I really dont think there is a right answer, its that classic "you can't please all the people" scenario.
Before David puts his waders on to get across the River of Hurt he has made for himself and poke me with his anusol applicator stick
he should perhaps realise that Im not entirely sure I know myself how I would want the commentary to be for these events and am as guilty as Ian et al for similar things in my time, whilst also sometimes thinking "its getting a bit much now boys" with some of the comments.
What I do know is that it fucking hard to do that job, for that long and keep an audience entertained, and I never had a livestream audience to worry about who I had no idea of their connection to the teams, level of interest or experience of drifting etc.
If you know the audience is inexperienced then you can fill with trying to teach them the basics of drifting, the rules and details of whats going on - experienced audiences find this boring, irritating and doesn't engage the majority of those especially at a BDC event who are usually directly connected with competitors.
If you pitch to that local audience then there may also be things that they can see that the cameras dont and as such all reference gets lost for the home audience. Also pitching at that more knowledgeable and "connected" local crowd inevitably leads the new listener or home listener to wonder why they are just listening to a stream on "in-jokes" and nicknames/banter etc which again leaves a large chunk of people disenfranchised.
Add to this the fact that you want commentators to know what they are talking about which like almost every other sport that has commentary inevitably leads to using current or former participants to help do that commentary. This immediately brings you bias, referencing to past experience of the commentator and a degree of in-house ribbing, all pundits do it, but then its also the biggest plus point of having them - FOR THEIR INSIGHTS. So again a two sided coin
Drifting is primarily a younger persons sport like most extreme style stuff as its dangerous, wastes money and is usually something people grow out of for "life reasons", sure theres a few old farts like me still hanging about, or some bloke called Mollisaan for example, but theres 10 more who no longer are around to prove my point. This results in age related opinions differing, I might like more factual stuff, perhaps like you, but youngsters often want 3 seconds of info, 10 seconds of bollox and 30 seconds of comedy, so again for the majority the lads have probably got it right.
Theres loads more arguments for and against, I actually do agree that if it was slightly more professional it may appeal to a wider audience more, but I am not sure drifting will ever be that wide, frankly I think that restriction would lose some of the spontaneity of what the guys do and we would all be poorer as a result.
I have probably made judging calls with bias, sworn on mic and generally been totally "frail human" while trying to do the very thing you want done, so I can say that its such a tough job I think you should just be happy that any poor fucker is prepared to put themselves in that spot and do what they do, so fair play to all of em !!!
So to sum up.........................STFU Homo !!!
I can genuinely see both sides of the coin, and unlike most on this thread I have been responsible for both sides as well, so I can say with total certainty that I really dont think there is a right answer, its that classic "you can't please all the people" scenario.
Before David puts his waders on to get across the River of Hurt he has made for himself and poke me with his anusol applicator stick
he should perhaps realise that Im not entirely sure I know myself how I would want the commentary to be for these events and am as guilty as Ian et al for similar things in my time, whilst also sometimes thinking "its getting a bit much now boys" with some of the comments.What I do know is that it fucking hard to do that job, for that long and keep an audience entertained, and I never had a livestream audience to worry about who I had no idea of their connection to the teams, level of interest or experience of drifting etc.
If you know the audience is inexperienced then you can fill with trying to teach them the basics of drifting, the rules and details of whats going on - experienced audiences find this boring, irritating and doesn't engage the majority of those especially at a BDC event who are usually directly connected with competitors.
If you pitch to that local audience then there may also be things that they can see that the cameras dont and as such all reference gets lost for the home audience. Also pitching at that more knowledgeable and "connected" local crowd inevitably leads the new listener or home listener to wonder why they are just listening to a stream on "in-jokes" and nicknames/banter etc which again leaves a large chunk of people disenfranchised.
Add to this the fact that you want commentators to know what they are talking about which like almost every other sport that has commentary inevitably leads to using current or former participants to help do that commentary. This immediately brings you bias, referencing to past experience of the commentator and a degree of in-house ribbing, all pundits do it, but then its also the biggest plus point of having them - FOR THEIR INSIGHTS. So again a two sided coin
Drifting is primarily a younger persons sport like most extreme style stuff as its dangerous, wastes money and is usually something people grow out of for "life reasons", sure theres a few old farts like me still hanging about, or some bloke called Mollisaan for example, but theres 10 more who no longer are around to prove my point. This results in age related opinions differing, I might like more factual stuff, perhaps like you, but youngsters often want 3 seconds of info, 10 seconds of bollox and 30 seconds of comedy, so again for the majority the lads have probably got it right.
Theres loads more arguments for and against, I actually do agree that if it was slightly more professional it may appeal to a wider audience more, but I am not sure drifting will ever be that wide, frankly I think that restriction would lose some of the spontaneity of what the guys do and we would all be poorer as a result.
I have probably made judging calls with bias, sworn on mic and generally been totally "frail human" while trying to do the very thing you want done, so I can say that its such a tough job I think you should just be happy that any poor fucker is prepared to put themselves in that spot and do what they do, so fair play to all of em !!!
So to sum up.........................STFU Homo !!!
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