new FWD drifter!

Stavros said:
I'm not being difficult, I'm saying a slide using power, is a power slide. A front drive can never do that. A slide using momentum, whether or not power helps keep it going, is a drift.
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I said it was early, you are 100% correct, it is not a powerslide.

the video the OP linked is someone flicking the handbrake 5 x through every corner (McDonalds trays) , show me a video of someone "drifting" a whole lap with FWD and i'll take it seriously.

How would a FWD gain speed through a drift? honestly explain that to us all. As far as i'm know and have experienced, the weight when throttle is applied will shift to the rear, causing it to grip, unless you slam on the handbrake.

you call a "drift" from entry to apex not sustained by power? What happens after the apex and the transition to the next turn?

As I said you have a feel for weight transition and drifting "the right way" in my mind. Get a 318 or an mx5 and you will put people to shame. But physics won't allow you to "drift" in that Honda.
 
conor07 said:
here it is again anyway

keeping up with rwd cars
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I looked at the first video ae101 vs jzx100, is that Bihoku?

Yes he keeps up, but the jz is sliding on the straights, and the ae101 mashes the handbrake 18x on one lap.

I'm trying not to be a cunt, but I'm genuinely interested how you can "drift" drift a fwd car, as physics and experience tells me you can't. Could you honestly twin next to any RWD car?
 
the track where the vid is form is SS park. duno if Bihoku is another name for it. might be. the AE is still slideing on the streights. yes he is on the hand brake. but useing the hand brake is also part of a rwd drifting to. just so happens he uses it a little more often. the end result is still the same. and as far as me maintaining a chase with a rwd car. that would depend of the skill of the driver in the other car. and as far as cutting laps of a round about. i can do constant laps of one in the rain. and i can feel with a little more power i could do it in the dry to. constant laps of a circle are possible dew to centrifugal force. keep your foot in it. and as long as you have a good LSD the back and will stay flung out as the front wheels pull the car round. a FWD car can achieve 99% of what a rwd car can do. you just dont always use the same stile to get it to do it. and a fwd car can also do stuff a rwd car cant do. a good example of that. is the amount of times i have over cooked a flick in my car. and if i was in a rwd car would have spun. but in a my car i can kick the clutch and bring it back from pretty much any angle. also i have realized i can enter turns faster and alot of rwd guys cant keep up with my car on corner entry. because as a fwd car it has the ability to apply power and hand brake. so on an entry where boath rwd and fwd use the hand brake. if we both enter at the same time i can stay on the power and continue to accelarate whilst doing a hand brake entry.
 
Dude welcome, Might of met you at Ebisu, I know we met some of your team and Mr D still keeps in touch with some of you dudes. Good to see you on. Think we shared some burgers one night with some other Aussie dudes, Cee Cee, Christian cant remember any other names.

I think this is a rather interesting debate now.. For years FWD has been laughed at, someone comes along and presents videos of FWD cars drifting with RWD, keeping up and linking the whole track.. and the best people can come up with... is Physics, not enough angle and its using too much handbrake.. THUS thats not drifting.. like any of you are the 'Drift Police' LMFAO!

You lot should check some of your home grown 'PROS' who use about 100x more handbrake than every FWD video in this thread combined.. As for angle, hell half you lot need Wisefab kits and cheat locks to link a track up so dont know wtf thats about.

Personally I dont like using the handbrake however; I couldnt care less.. Your having fun, you seem to have more control and experience than alot on this board :p so I wouldnt waste your time having to explain yourself to anyone. Keep doing what your doing.

Its like that saying; If everyone drove shit looking silvia's and BMW's then............ oh; wait.

;)
 
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Bladerider said:
Fuck me theres still some thick cunts left in the world !!

A slide maintained WITHOUT power is the definition of a powerslide is it Sir Isaac ??

Best you stick to making sig pics and dont try putting your theories into practice without an external roll cage lmfao

Personally I can see what Stav means and I share the sentiment for applauding momentum and weight shift control that such "fwd drifting" requires, but unless you can change speed up or down, as well as angle and direction, round a course without being straight
then thats not what the true spirit of drifting is about. Its like going on a chess club, raving about draights because they are both played on the same board - they share aspects but are not the same discipline.

Good luck to the OP with your hobby and welcome to Dickworks !!

:D :D
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Literally..

"Powerslide- a deliberate controlled skid in a vehicle, performed in order to turn corners at high speed."

Just because it has the word power in it doesn't mean it uses power *head desk*

Yes.. you have and need a major bit of power to have enough momentum to carry you through the corner with use of the handbrake which will affect speed, so the more the better. But compared to drifting, Powersliding features minimal to no throttle control. Also, I talked about drifting, not powersliding.. read better next time.

But in this spirit of drifting, if your enjoying what you do and ignore purists then go for it. Just expect what people will say.

Also..

" while barely accelerating and primarily on an ever slowing course until momentum or angle is lost is NOT truly what drifting is about."
literally what I just said..
 
Thanks

Now I know whats been holding me back - thinking the accelerator is for accelerating !!

:wack:

Mint - I have never had a Wisefab kit :D and everyone knows Geldy is the DriftPolice !!!

xx
 
Bladerider said:
Thanks

Now I know whats been holding me back - thinking the accelerator is for accelerating !!

:wack:

Mint - I have never had a Wisefab kit :D and everyone knows Geldy is the DriftPolice !!!

xx
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Common mistake really, personally i thought just using the handbrake abit and turning left makes me drift, i mean even if im stationary it stil counts, right!?!?!?!?!?!
 
I know quite of lot of RWD arse draggers that would do well at this...

Drifting an MX5 myself I can appreciate the need the to keep the speed up. Good driving especially with the wall tap, takes guts in any car! Cool to see you at Ebisu, I should be there at the end of the month all being well.

Ian. :)
 
conor07 said:
yes he is on the hand brake. but useing the hand brake is also part of a rwd drifting to.
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Not on the straight bits it isnt, we tend to be trying to go quicker there and braking isnt exactly conducive to that. Claiming FWD can do 99% of what RWD can is ridiculous, you arent doing yourself any favours there Im afraid, by definition you need to lift/brake to initiate every drift, and by definition you cant keep going sideways forever, like a donut - once your momentum runs out the car is going to straighten.
Seriously iImpressed with what you can do and it clearly takes a lot of skill but its reminiscent of putting McDonalds trays under your back wheels for me, drifting is about balancing power and grip, not reducing grip at one end of the car so it skids about unnaturally.

And argonaut, if you actually played the game you would know its possible to put a car sideways without any power at all, funnily enough we tend to call it a "powerslide" when you are actually using some power though.
 
docwra said:
Not on the straight bits it isnt, we tend to be trying to go quicker there and braking isnt exactly conducive to that. Claiming FWD can do 99% of what RWD can is ridiculous, you arent doing yourself any favours there Im afraid, by definition you need to lift/brake to initiate every drift, and by definition you cant keep going sideways forever, like a donut - once your momentum runs out the car is going to straighten.
Seriously iImpressed with what you can do and it clearly takes a lot of skill but its reminiscent of putting McDonalds trays under your back wheels for me, drifting is about balancing power and grip, not reducing grip at one end of the car so it skids about unnaturally.

And argonaut, if you actually played the game you would know its possible to put a car sideways without any power at all, funnily enough we tend to call it a "powerslide" when you are actually using some power though.
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Meh, perhaps I've seen different definitions of powerslides and or i'm just explaining my view wrong. Probably abit of you and me is correct.. probably (you more probs)
 
Its pretty easy man, a slide is a slide, if its under power then it might be a powerslide, if its not under power it cant be. Unless youre teling me toboggans powerslide down a hill? ;)
 
docwra said:
by definition you cant keep going sideways forever, like a donut - once your momentum runs out the car is going to straighten.
A
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as i have explained already. you can do continues laps of a roundabout with the tail out in a fwd car
 
not on me. but i will eather
A. next time it rains

B once my new engine is in.

however i still dont see how cutting hectic laps of a roundabout proves anything.
 
quite clearly yes. nothing wrong with a good conversation. if you dont have any worthwhile input. then keep to yourself.
 
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