pics of your harness setup...onto rear strut brace if poss :)

- Fezcat - said:
No one else can be Keefecool! :wack:

I swear someone else on here owns that as a trademark - Let me know who you are and ill pay you royalties :nod: To the total of FRO :wack:
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Bryn said it one time. Ace.

It's not a matter of being cool, it's a matter of thinking it through. If anything it's a matter of not doing stuff for the sake of being cool.

A harness without a cage, as others have already said means if you were to crash and roll, you'd be held completely upright. The guy drives an S13 for god's sake, we've seen time and time again that the metal on those is akin to baking foil... Tin foil roof + Being held upright = Dire result; and is where me saying I wouldn't run a harness without a cage comes from. Note the "I" not "You shouldn't" tone of my point.

Then you come to the point of if you run a cage in a road car, and you crash on the road - but say that crash is more yaw rotational than a body roll - your helmet-less head is going to smack the unshielded roll cage bars that run in close proximity to your head with some vigour. So whilst you're more protected from a roll over, and more suited to wearing a harness, a less severe accident now becomes more dangerous. Hence me saying that I wouldn't run a cage without some thick sponge on it at the least. Again note the "I" not "You shouldn't".

Really hope this clears that up for you there and the fact I was trying to be helpful was not lost on you.
 
cheers keefe,
i already have some super think cage padding ready for when i get the cage, wouldnt dare run without it really, like you say, theres a big metal bar gonna be running a bit close to my/my passangers head...would be silly to just leave it....so i wont :)
cheers, brad.
 
It takes 5 mins to get a harness bar welded in by someone competant. I'm also guessing this would be very cheap compared to the price of a cage.

This may be one option.
 
LiGhTnInG said:
It takes 5 mins to get a harness bar welded in by someone competant. I'm also guessing this would be very cheap compared to the price of a cage.

This may be one option.
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that certainly could be an option, could do it at work...
any certain bar it needs to be? and thickness of the plates..does it just bolt/weld between the struts?

cheers mate, thanks for that,
brad :D
 
i wouldnt make it out of any old bar. Try to use the same thickness, diameter and material as the rollcage in the car
 
cheers mate, when the bars in place how does the harness attatch to it? just wrap around or bolt to it etc....
sorry for the noob question, but i dont know so thought i would ask...

think i might change this to.......pics of harness setup onto rear harness bar!! please :) :)

cheers, brad :D
 
Back to the harness bar, would I need to reinforce the rear arches inside with a plate?
Then a big square bracket that will bolt to the arches inside and have the harness bar welded to it,
And how do I attatch the harness to it?
Cheers people, brad :D
 
On my E36, got mine mounted onto the rear parcel shelf where the headrests would normally push into.
 
Wow its amazing how many replies you get over harnesses. FIA state you can safely mount a harness 45 degrees below your shoulder ie rear seatbelt mounts and about 10-20 above the shoulder iirc. A perfect angle in some cars is the c pillar but its not as strong as the lower mounts. There are bars that go from each side of the b pillar which you can run the harness over then down to the floor so you can keep the back seats etc. Reclining bucket seats are gash as they are more for show unless its a proper one like bride or sparco. A seatbelt in a crash is designed to stretch 20-30% before locking in place thats why you need an airbag to stop you knocking yourself out. But with harnesses you risk internal bleeding due to the harness not moving but your heart etc will move into your rib cage unless your in a padded suit and padded harnesses.
 
SidewaysRookie said:
A seatbelt in a crash is designed to stretch 20-30% before locking in place thats why you need an airbag to stop you knocking yourself out. But with harnesses you risk internal bleeding due to the harness not moving but your heart etc will move into your rib cage unless your in a padded suit and padded harnesses.
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Um, are you abolutly sure that's accurate ? :wack:
 
so...what im learnin from this is that its best to have a bar higher up.....not down by the rear struts?

ive been looking at evo harness bars and some run right round the back of the seat...like only about 6 inch away high up by the head.....

would that be good?....have 2 bars that bolt down to rear seatbelt points and 2 coming down to seatbelt anchor points down the b pillar then a bar welded across the 2 round the back of the seats...

just to add, i have fixed sparco evos and no rear seats...:D

cheers, brad :D

p.s this is a really really poor drawing quickly done, but can people see my idea?
cheers,
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A couple of years ago on a track day at Oulton Park an XR3i hit the barrier on the exit of Lodge on the right.

I was instructing on the day and was one of the first there.

The driver was in a bucket seat with a harness bolted to the seatbelt mounts on the floor behind him. He had a broken sternum and back damage from compression. The paramedics carefully manoevered him out, strapped him to a board and an ambulance took him away.

The passenger was in the normal road seat with a seatbelt on. When I got there he had got out and was smoking a cigarette. He was fine.

These things are not for show and are not fashion accessories. If you need them buy the right stuff and install it correctly. Otherwise you are less safe.
 
That sounds bad john,
Its hard knowing what to do after reading something like that, I'm wanting it to be as safe as. Can be,
Certainly not just for show....but how far do you go with it!.....are we saying that in most cases a normal seat and seatbelt
Is the safest solution?....

If I do have fixed buckets and proper harnesses with a harness bar setup...
Will I be just as safe if the worst happens?
I know its obviously down to size of crash etc but I want to be as safe as,

Cheers again, brad.
 
Been reading through this thread and its been very interesting. A lot of people seem to have different views on what should be done. I wanted to revive this thread and add some information for people to read and make their own minds up. This is from a harness manufacturer and is their guidelines. Some of this like crossing the harnesses behind and not using the 45 degree rule are different to what I thought was correct.
It covers mounting types, mounting locations and what will happen in a crash. Its a really in depth report and hope it helps someone.

Installation- and Operating Instructions
 
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