The HOLSET Thread

cheers stavros,
anyone ever see this done, friend of mine from norway is using a hx60 as his big turbo but the exhaust housing is too big and he can't get the smaller size he wants so.................
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he's making his own.:p

it was a 27cm housing, hes making it somewhere between 18 or 20cm
http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects-builds/195359-500bhp-diesel-merc-project.html

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he has it finished.

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So not to sound stupid but hes basically took a huge turbo with an equally large compressor housing and made the exhaust housing much smaller, so that it will effectively give the same big boost but be able to spool on a smaller engine/spool faster on the same engine?
 
So not to sound stupid but hes basically took a huge turbo with an equally large compressor housing and made the exhaust housing much smaller, so that it will effectively give the same big boost but be able to spool on a smaller engine/spool faster on the same engine?

Yes.
It's swings and roundabouts though, as the smaller the turbine the less power and more backpressure there is.
I've seen so many people on here put tiny turbines on their engines and then they wonder why they blow up, as backpressure is gonna be through the roof, even if it does make ok power.
But doing it to the right amount for your engine/spec and it's a great idea.
The one above looks about the right size for the engine it's going on (a big power 3ltr diesel), but the the comp vs turbine is a massive difference so compressor surge 'might' be an issue, but this guy seems to know what he's doing.
 
Spool doesn´t always follow with smaller turbine though. The smaller (weaker) turbine must work against the inertia of the big compressor, wich in some cases means a bigger turbine can actually give better spool.
 
Quick spool, sub 400bhp, good torque. Small turbine housing'd 35 frame I'd guess from everything else I've read I guess but appreciate the advice.
 
Closest I have to that is a HX40 with a .63 Bullseye housing on it, or HX35/40 based things with 12cm housings.

Both probably a bit overkill at sub 400bhp.

Torque comes from boost pressure overall rather than turbo spec though, ie a car running high boost to hit 400bhp will have a lot more than one running low boost to get the same peak power.

400bhp/400lbft is in the 2bar territory regardless of turbo, for example.
 
Yeah, I realise that about the torque. It's one of those things again where looking at a turbo that suits an sr20 becomes a power vs spool trade off which seems to always be huge. Might have to just lump the spool lag if I want more power but as it's a daily as well I'm a little reluctant to as I'd like to still be seeing power below 4.5k.
 
Yeah, I realise that about the torque. It's one of those things again where looking at a turbo that suits an sr20 becomes a power vs spool trade off which seems to always be huge. Might have to just lump the spool lag if I want more power but as it's a daily as well I'm a little reluctant to as I'd like to still be seeing power below 4.5k.

how about a small supercharger to run with the turbo.
 
Yeah, I realise that about the torque. It's one of those things again where looking at a turbo that suits an sr20 becomes a power vs spool trade off which seems to always be huge. Might have to just lump the spool lag if I want more power but as it's a daily as well I'm a little reluctant to as I'd like to still be seeing power below 4.5k.

It's because everybody runs low/gay boost.

400bhp, 400lbft, and full boost by about 3.5k is easy and reliable on a 2ltr on pump fuel, is commonplace/normal on things like Cosworths and Evos, but it ain't happening on 99% of SR20s specs.

I've seen a 2ltr SR20 push out 570bhp and 590lbft, and that was through a 45mm inlet restrictor, and that was 300lbft by 4k- Ie it was already making decent boost.
 
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Stavros, what sort of specs would you need to run 400hp/lbft with good spool on an SR? I know a little but I thought that you can only run so much boost before things shit themselves or is it becuase SR's dont flow as well???
 
Boost is nothing to do with flow.
Far as I understood SRs could happily do 450bhp on stock head ports anyhow, so it can deffo flow better than many 2ltrs.

As said before, regardless of engine/turbo/whatever, peak boost (it don't have to hold it) to get about 400lbft from a 2ltr is generally 30psi or more.

That recipe is the same be it a YB or an Evo engine, both of which commonly do it.
I mean, for example, on a Cossie it tends to be the same thing that's been done to get 400bhp/400lbft for the last 15 years- a oldish skool T34 turbo, mildly ported head and cam(s) (as stock heads dont flow great, less than an SR one for example), 7.5-8:1 compression, enough fuel and cooling to do the job, and 30-35psi boost (PEAK, for the big torque- Tends to drop to ~25psi by peak power), job done.

The key is making something strong/reliable enough to do such things. Shouldn't be hard on an SR, they're not weak. I've seen a stock SR run 2bar before and got about 400lbft if I remember right, but it didn't last long, unsurprisingly on 8.5:1 cast pistons on pump fuel.

Getting it isn't hard, just need to spec the engine and turbo to suit what you aiming for.

The problem with 99% of engines is people pick parts of loads of different setups they see working well and create an engine from it.

That's ridiculous, you need to decide what you want your engine to drive like and what fuel you're using, then work out what kind of things will allow the engine to drive like you want on the fuel you will be using, and then spec the turbo and engine from there.

A mish mash of parts people see performing well just makes for a pretty ordinary engine usually.
 
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No one seen my input into this thread? close to 400 with good spool on a HY35

You hardly said anything though mate.

You said 385bhp@1.2bar, you never said when it spooled, where peak power was, what peak torque was, etc etc.

I'm sure they'd love more info.

And 1.2bar is safe and easy on a stock internals SR, barely pushing it at all, so would last.
 
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