Ghostdancer scam or just taken for a mug

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Cant be arsed reading the whole thread and any other issues, but regarding a cars condition...

Who has ever had a car from Japan, or any sight unseen car, that didnt have any inperfections that wasnt mentioned in the ad?
In fact, who has ever even been to see a car that didnt have a single imperfection that wasnt mentioned in the sale advert?
I sure as fuck havent!

To be honest, I presumed everyone knew and took in to account that buying a sight unseen car from abroad you expect it to have the odd imperfection that wasnt listed.

Especially as tuned cars regardless never ever ever look anywhere near as mint as they do in pics.
 
Stavros said:
Cant be arsed reading the whole thread and any other issues, but regarding a cars condition...

Who has ever had a car from Japan, or any sight unseen car, that didnt have any inperfections that wasnt mentioned in the ad?
In fact, who has ever even been to see a car that didnt have a single imperfection that wasnt mentioned in the sale advert?
I sure as fuck havent!

To be honest, I presumed everyone knew and took in to account that buying a sight unseen car from abroad you expect it to have the odd imperfection that wasnt listed.

Especially as tuned cars regardless never ever ever look anywhere near as mint as they do in pics.
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agreed stav.

but the guy is still 14k out of pocket and hasnt recieved a penny.

i think thats the rather important fact here
 
initial_j said:
i really dont think the quality of the car is the issue here or what you need to be explaining, though i agree in that video it does look quite nice

BUT,


the issue is you have £140000 of the guys money and havnt given any back!! that what needs expaining really
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That's the point, why the car was sold to someone else and not refunded the buyer then...

this is just the problem of the story as the car is looking pretty mint and sounds good..
then if that car was sold 5K it's a REAL bargain for this price i'll buy it back today :)
 
For everyones info severnside Motorsport was the company in the garage before severnside import moved in, also I've only ever had one company and that is severnside Japanese imports, I personaly am not liable for this car it was all sorted out through the courts, the registered owner who is liable is now bankrupt and is now not liable for the debt either.
 
floyd said:
For everyones info severnside Motorsport was the company in the garage before severnside import moved in, also I've only ever had one company and that is severnside Japanese imports, I personaly am not liable for this car it was all sorted out through the courts, the registered owner who is liable is now bankrupt and is now not liable for the debt either.
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That being your Mrs.Are you still with her?

Speaking for the old company when you sold the car as 95 and wanted to deliver a 93 why wouldnt you refund the money when you were in the wrong?
 
floyd said:
For everyones info severnside Motorsport was the company in the garage before severnside import moved in, also I've only ever had one company and that is severnside Japanese imports, I personaly am not liable for this car it was all sorted out through the courts, the registered owner who is liable is now bankrupt and is now not liable for the debt either.
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what? every post of yours in this thread seems weak as fuck.



hope thread started gets sorted, id be seriously fucked off
 
Julian,
The only question on this thread you need to answer is:

"Why didn't you refund the guys money when he rejected the car"

It's also the only question your yet to answer.
 
Again too long a thread to be reading from the start but like starvos said i bought a car from Japan, bought it from here actually and it was from ghostdancer before he stopped trading.

What a ball ache!!! 6 months of waiting not knowing if i was even going to receive the car, along with cookiemonster and anthony cahill. I expected the car to be in better shape but hey you get what you pay for. TBH glad i got the car, the car had had a smash and had been pulled out when i removed the rear bumper and instead of painting the roof black, they painted the car red and left the roof black lol. When the fenders were removed the car was still black which i thought was funny considering they fucked the arches up badly.

If it wasn't for kiwithunder (stephen) i wouldn't have had the car.

Anyway i picked the car up at the docks and that's where i met Floyd, decent bloke, very down to earth, can't see how he would rip anyone off. Ok he might have had some issues with cars not being as described or long waiting times but that's what you expect when buying from abroad.
 
If all importers have such a hard time of buying cars in Jpn then why have we in Ireland no bad words to say of Wesley Keating of WKD Imports,Or Christy Carpainter of Top Fuel Imports?
Why,Because they are genuine businessmen,Not out to scam the next guy through the door!
 
Well when I bought my car from Andy@PV he mentioned every little blemish and and defect on the car. From the pictures he could have said mint as fcuk 180sx but he didnt. This guy was sold a car saying it was mint and when it arrived it wasn't. We have established that its a drift car and they are not always perfect, but when its 3 years older then advertised, somebody fcuked right up.

Why wasnt he offered a refund and the car again sold as soon as landed? If it was to the spec it would have been snapped up imo.
 
Julian, no denying it, as long as what the op is saying is true, your a scammer and a thief. Try and give some smart ass reply back, but there is no way round it.

Mitto I wouldnt even bother defending someone who does that. Who gives a shit what he is doing for the sport, the man is obviously a roaster if he is going to screw someone out of £14k.

As for paint work in pictures and images, check this:

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This was my old RX7. Paint looks pretty good there. The paint was FUCKING SHITE. I painted it in an underground car park with a 5 quid gun and an unsuitable compressor. You can make anything look good in a picture or video.

It just seems there are more and more people out there to fuck people over now.
 
(Hopefully these link will work better).


Just to answer the point: I don't recall ever paying for a 'drift car', and correct me if I'm wrong but this was Stephens 'daily drive', I bought it to drive on the road, as most people would

E-mail quote 1st January '08: "The car has done less than 1000 miles since rebuild and is in perfect shape guaranteed as I know this car personally"


E-mail quote 24th July '08: "The car came in perfect condition wth no damage, we fully valeted it and cut and polished the paintwork"

Ref, the Youtube clip '600BHP BAYSIDE BLUE BEAST', I'd be chuffed to fuck if I was the guy who had walked away with that for £5k, but I wasn't was I, I paid almost 3 times that amount for a car that (and you can be as blase' about it as much as you want 'cos it wasn't your money that's been lost) was 3 year older the one you paid for and cosmetically was in dog order.

Looking at it in the context that, at the time with the whole Ghostdancer scamming going on (and with the whole Kawabatta shit that's coming to light now) and the fact that Ghostdancer built the car (DW thread on here) with Stephen, and tried to sell the car at the same time.

And the small matter of 7 months later!

Can you answer honestly that you would have been happy to turn around and say "There you go mate here's another £1400"?

I don't think so, mates or not.

Am I expecting a penny back? Not really, and when all is considered and if you were in my position now...would you be sat there defending the guy that you paid £14,200 (I doubt it)


**Julian, I'm guessing that this isn't a good time to ask you and SEVERNSIDE JAPANESE IMPORTS if you'ld be interested in sponsoring my next build?**





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so.

The OP rejected the car because
- The car was a 1992 and not a 1995 as specified and sold to him. On this basis regardless if Julian knew or not it is his Julian's responsibility to refund the OP as the car was vastly not as described at time of purchase. It was then upto Julian to take it up with his supplier, namely Stephen at Skay in Japan.

The other issues with the car do come with the nature of the beast. As to the power it was running then again if you have absolute proof at point of sale that it was spec'd at 600bhp and when it arrived it was circa 450bhp then again you would have a case under the goods being mis-described and Julian should have refunded you in full.

I think that severnsides tactics on this occasion are underhand and discusting and as said by previous posters on this thread it's a more common thing with limited companies these days. I've lost money through a garage doing this and it's on a par with other companies like envy performance, rc developments etc etc doing the same thing, shut up shop and overnight re-form with a slightly different name and carry on trading as if nothing has happened, all be it with no outstanding debts to honour and a clean slate and no one is the wiser.

OP, looking at whats been said from both parties it looks like you've been hung out to dry and you've no chance of re-couping any money from them with them being a limited company.

I think that if people were more up front with the facts to start with then these witch hunts wouldn't be more a common occurance on car forums.

Either way, OP I do feel for you mate :no: and Julian it's a bad show you acting like it's not your fault/concern when obviously knew that you were going to shut up shop and pernamently deprive this chap of his money.

Tommi.
 
floyd said:
For everyones info severnside Motorsport was the company in the garage before severnside import moved in, also I've only ever had one company and that is severnside Japanese imports, I personaly am not liable for this car it was all sorted out through the courts, the registered owner who is liable is now bankrupt and is now not liable for the debt either.
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tbh this sounds pretty weak.

whilst maybe on paper you arnt liable etc, the fact is you still took 14k off someone and havnt given it back.

by clever use of the law, and switching names/liability etc, youve made it so your not liable for the debt.

but moraly, you took 14k off the guy, and gave him nothing back.

unless there is more to this than you have explained, i think this is fucking disgusting.
 
If I had paid £14 k for a car the other side of the world, from a guy I didn't know, and that car in the video turned up I would have taken it and tried to take issue from there.

'93 or '95, who cares, doesn't affect the value at that age and so wouldn't concern me. The extras are fitted as promised I see.

3 of our cars are imports, not one was as described, that's how it is as someone said above.

That said, you took someones £14k and gave him nothing for it, you should address that regardless if you were trading as your wife, mum or whatever.
 
the car actually looks and sounds fine in the vids but the issue of the age difference is still grounds to reject the car.
 
initial_j said:
tbh this sounds pretty weak.

whilst maybe on paper you arnt liable etc, the fact is you still took 14k off someone and havnt given it back.

by clever use of the law, and switching names/liability etc, youve made it so your not liable for the debt.

but moraly, you took 14k off the guy, and gave him nothing back.

unless there is more to this than you have explained, i think this is fucking disgusting.
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From what I can see thats what has happen and yes its a total travesty to have no shame, I don't even think you sound bothered.
 
In response to the op, i hope you get some justice dude, either the car or the money back.

So just to clarify who did you pay the money too?? did you bank transfer it to rick or driving sports or did you pay julian @ severnside?

if you rejected the car because it was not as described or missing bits then surely the perosn who you paid the money too would have to give you the cash back.
 
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