Ghostdancer scam or just taken for a mug

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The car was perfect it was featured I'm books and magazines and was a good example.

Can you explain then why it had to be painted again?

ps. Who are you? Julian I assume? Might be worth posting your side of things (a bit more legibly if possible) to better equip people in this community to make a decision on who they do business with in the future.
 
confirms exactly what Julian said to me...

From what i know, its more than just the courts that are after Kawabata... i'd be suprised if he's ever seen again...

The only thing wrong with it when I saw it was the turbo had gone, was in Driving Sports shop waiting for a replacement turbo. Can post pics if need be.
 
The only thing wrong with it when I saw it was the turbo had gone, was in Driving Sports shop waiting for a replacement turbo. Can post pics if need be.

But the quality of the 1995 car he thought he was buying is not in question. It's the 1992 car that arrived that he is talking about by the sounds of it.
 
If as it seems it was origianly a rick car.... then the one recived may have been one of the cheap copys of a car he sold. He did this a lot if I remember right.
It might have been shipped before stephen could inspect it himself. This almost happend with mine. He came back to find DS had sent it to the port 2 days early and when he got there with my new wheels the car was only about 50% complete.
 
It really saddens me to hear about another chapter in the Ghostdancer saga... :(

I hope it gets sorted out for the better for ALL parties involved.

Whenever I see this I thank my lucky stars for one single missed call. Near the end of 2007 I spoke to Rick many times and agreed to buy the Red D1GP R.Y.O. 2.1L S13. It was like 1.9M Yen. One day I went to the bank to transfer the approx 14K euro and it wouldnt send. Some detail was wrong. I rang Rick but he never answered. He went missing for a week or so (he said he went to the states) and gave me the correct details but I think litterally that day the horror stories started to emerge and I couldn't contact him after that. I dread to think if I had paid the money that day....

What ever happened to Matt Welby? Did he ever get his Onevia?
 
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But the quality of the 1995 car he thought he was buying is not in question. It's the 1992 car that arrived that he is talking about by the sounds of it.

There has been 'alleged' cases of Rick selling the same car to several customers, I think this is why RandomGuy had to wait for a replica of the car he had purchased to be built by Driving Sports and SKAY.

Sounds like something simular may have happened here.

Someone feel free to correct me as all this GD crap was a couple of years ago, and I'm old!!!
 
There has been 'alleged' cases of Rick selling the same car to several customers, I think this is why RandomGuy had to wait for a replica of the car he had purchased to be built by Driving Sports and SKAY.

Sounds like something simular may have happened here.

Someone feel free to correct me as all this GD crap was a couple of years ago, and I'm old!!!


I've had my car just under 2 years and it was about 6>8 months before that when rick legged it. It does look like this is a copy car.

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Just checked old e-mails that I never deleted and it was 07 when rick legged it.
 
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Sounds more and more like Driving Sports/Kawabata and Rick were in cahoots all along judging by the info that's coming to light in this thread.
 
Sounds more and more like Driving Sports/Kawabata and Rick were in cahoots all along judging by the info that's coming to light in this thread.

Rick was operating from Driving Sports from what I could see while over there. Rick promised Kawabata Formula D drives in the S15 K-San built. Rick told me all this when he picked us up in a white NA s15 that became the red DS S15, then turned into a grey thing with gay pink graphics!
 
Woh, doesnt sound good :( feel for you dude. But i think we should hear everything this guy has to say, as it seems he has a pretty fair and strong case. Tbh stuff like this shouldnt be resolved on forums, more a legal matter. Best of luck getting it sorted though :thumbs:
 
OK so in REAL terms

The customer Paid a UK company for arguments sake £12,500 for a product.

The product arrived and was NOT The one Described or Advertised.

Customer Gets Refunded?

surely thats the way it should work, and SURELY uk UK company (BY FUCKING COMMON SENCE) should have a sum of money in a UK account to refund un till the customer has received and be happy with it.

any money sent back to japan between the UK company and the Jap company has NOTHING to do with the customer it should'nt even be dreamed up as a legitimate excuse!

or am i missing something.



Take it out of Drifting cars and this fucked up world of drifting importation and woffle and into the real world.

I walk in to tesco i buy a TV, i get it home its not the one shown on the box, i go back to tesco and get a refund.

its between tesco and the TV company provider to sort it out, nothing to do with the consumer.



This is the way it wors as is described this product was brought, its not the same as JUC works, (which if i was importing a car would be the ONLY people i would use) unless i buy it how i brought this one where i Rocked on down to the importers and made sure the car WAS in there possession and already landed.

Im under no impression that some of the details may be vague or slightly wrong, but the jist of it i guess has some truth to it.
 
I walk in to tesco i buy a TV, i get it home its not the one shown on the box, i go back to tesco and get a refund.

its between tesco and the TV company provider to sort it out, nothing to do with the consumer.

Sounds like a pretty good analogy to me mate.

Bizarre that Severnside said the car was landed, in their posession and in perfect condition though, when obviously it wasn't. Can't understand that bit, especially if Severnside really were just a middleman for providing a car from Ghostdancer/DS. They'd have no reason to hide anything surely?

Interesting thread though, I remember all this bullshit that went on, I had no idea about this replica car business though. That shit is fucking bananas. This thread should be allowed to run its course though, I think people should hear the full story - from both sides.
 
**I'm fully aware of the clickyness of some people on this forum FLOYD and yes this will get very interesting, very soon....Not really surprised that you want this thread closed down. The thing is fella, I've got nothing to hide.....did you take my money? Uh, yes.....was the car as described? uh, no........and I woud love to se the reaction on your solicitor fce when they et presented with 'all' of the facts! If you'v been caught up in a scam then hold your hand up and say so, if not then what thefuck has gone on. And let's be honest TOP TRUMPS!!! Please. As for trying to come up with any excuse not to have the car???????????????WHAT THE FUCK!! I paid you up front, you took 7 months to deliver and the car you tried to deliver was 3 years older!!!

A few days later I returned to SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS with copies of photographs of the advertised car, in addition to copies of all listing details.

I spent an hour or so checking the 1992 car's VIN details and taking photo's as proof for future legal reference, a mate of mine ran a check confirming the DVLA details were correct.



As Julian Barnes wasn't willing to discuss it, and had categorically stated that I would have to speak to his solicitor, I sought legal advice.

I employed the services of a sollicitor in late July '08.

My solicitor spent a few day searching through the evidence that I had kept and concluded that SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS didn't have a leg to stand on, it was a clear cut case.



The very fact that the delivered car was 3 years older than the car that I had paid for made any defence by SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS futile.



21st August '08: A reltively feeble attempt was made by Julian Barnes solicitor to divert the attention away from the facts, but it was clearly an attempt to gain more time for their client to sqaure himself away.

Making reference to the car being a 'specialist used track car' and stating that the car had been 'newly painted' in Japan before beig shipped to the UK.



It was also stated that the car 'was' runnig 600BHP and that since I han't driven it, how could I say that it wasn't.



**I'll post hard proof at the approriate time later where Julian clearly states that the car is running 450BHP, something that DRAGON PERFORMANCE (not dragging them into this) but they were supposed to map it.

On several occassions this is stated clearly, so, to answer your point Julian 'no, I don't have a built in dyno machine strapped to my arse, but I can fucking read! and to be a honest when dealing with people like you, I think a bullshit detector woud be more useful!""'



The excuses for shipping delays just came flooding out, basically the excue was that the seats caused the delay....uh, 7 months fella???

Check the dates of the e-mail fella, that just don't add up!



and finally stating that the shipping costs weren't paid up by me when I came to pick up the car, uh....do you think!!



Initially Julian Barnes (via his solicitor) refused that there were any grounds for the car to be rejected and stated that they would need more time to reqeust a copy of the SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS advert from ebay.

My solicitor, aware of the delaying tactic immediately responded by offering them a hard copy of the listing from our own file.

(as I said, I kept copies everything).

My solicitor pointed ou that the fact remained, cosmetic damage and poor finish aside, the delivered car was a 1992 model and not a 1995 model.



Julian Barnes denied that there was anything wrong with the car and that again there were no grounds for it to be rejected, basically bullshitting his own solicitor.



At this point my solicitor forwarded copies of the photographs taken during the 2nd visit to SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS, clearly showing the condition of the car.

Julian Barnes was forced to conceed and offered a refund of £12,500 (ie. the cost of the car) but refused to pay back the cost of the carbon door cards and the pair of Bride seats (£1700).

It was stated that Julian Barnes didn't have the money immediately available and that I would have to wait until the car was re-sold in order for the money to be made available and requested 28 days to do so.



Julian Barnes solicitor was told in no uncertain terms that I wanted a full refund of the £14,200 paid to Julian Barnes.







At this time (Septembr '08) JULIAN BARNES of SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS listed the car for sale; carbon door cards and bride seats included, with a starting price of £12,000.



The listing was headed 'MAZDA RX7 WIDE BODY 450BHP FULLY REBUILT SIDE PORTED'



*Hmmn, 450BHP....interesting that.



though in the description it still stated power as 600BHP?



The listing also states:



Quote: "Since it's arrival we have just had the car painted in baysid blue, it was freshly painted in Japan but 'we was not 100% happy with the finish'.......it will be going to Dragon Performance later for a remap, we have had it mappd to a safe 450BHP"





The car was later claimed to have been sold by Julian Barnes for just £5000.

I spoke to him asking when I would get my money back and he informd me that I wouldn't be, as he only got £5000 for it (just go's to show how bad the car actually was!) and also said that after he had paid the shipping costs and paid for the re-spray there was nothing of the £5000 left.

He told me that I "should have taken the car when I had the chance" and to "let he solicitors deal with it".

He also gloated that "SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS probably wouldn't be around for much longer anyway".



My solicitor sent numerous letters to Julian Barnes solicitor, but they kept replying that he hasn't got back in touch with them.





Meanwhile my legal fees were escalating and I was forced to seek barristers advice prior to issuing court proceedings against Julian Barnes.





18th December '08: My solicitor recieves a letter from Julian Barnes solicitor stating



OUR FORMER CLIENT: JULIAN BARNES



"We can confirm that we are no longer instructed by Mr Barnes in this matter and have recievd no further instruction from him since October '08"





13th February '09: My solicitor recieves a 'PROPOSED VOLUNTARY ARRANGEMENT" by Miss Karen Kinnish (Julian Barnes fiance') claiming that she now owes me £12,500 and not Julian Barnes?



19th February '09: We recieve a letter with regardsto Karen Kinnish PROPOSED INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTARY ARRANGEMENT



My solicitor quetioned this as the dipute had always been with Julian Barnes!



**I'm sure you can see where this is going!**



The barrister spent a lot of time sifting through the fine detail and also concluded that this was a very straight forward case and that SEVERNSIDE IMPORTS were clearly in breach of contract.



In the mean time the PROPOSED INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTARY ARRANGEMENT was progressing.



Total value of unsecured credit: £106,079:66



Reason for financial difficulty: Credit facilties used to pay for general expenses, whilst aso buying cars and covering shipping costs.

(more detail on this later!)



Quote: "Up until 2006 I was a housewife and my partner was the main breadwinner. After his income fell due to the financial climate, I decided to become self employed selling motor vehicles. The first year I traded I made a small profit and was confident that this would improve. The second year I made a loss, due to my inexperience. I now realise that although was selling vehicles, my profit margin was far too low, after paying shipping costs and other expenses, I was operating at a loss, I was naive and was paying too much for vehicles and spending too much on them before selling. I have now made major adjustments to my business operation and have in the past 6 months concentrated on selling slightly lower priced vehicles with a better profit margin. I have also reduced my staff costs and my partner, who works for me has taken on the extra hours to clean and polish the vehicles. I have also been given a small business reduction in the rates on my business property. As higher priced vehicles are more difficult to sell at the moment I feel that I have madethe right decision and I am on target to make a profit based on my previous 6 months figures. I have also been awarded a perentage small business reduction on my business rent and rates.
 
OK so in REAL terms

The customer Paid a UK company for arguments sake £12,500 for a product.

The product arrived and was NOT The one Described or Advertised.

Customer Gets Refunded?

I immediately thought this because he's protected by the Sales of Goods Act/Sales of Goods and Services. But he's stated that he's spent 5k in legal fee's so there must be more to it.

Edit: Beaten to it AGAIN:) I was stung in 2007 by someone I was sueing for breach of contract. I won but lost the 8k in the end because he pulled the shame shitty liquidation stunt. I got what is known as "a paper victory". Hate to say this but be prepared to get nothing back. In the end the only real winners are the solicitors.
 
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like i said 2 sides to every story , and most of youre side is bull, all this slanorous nonsense and threats will be passed on to my solicitors , any one who knows me knows the full story about this car, i have nothing to prove by getting in to childish arguments on this forum ,,
 
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