New to drifting?
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Just get it welded
Welded diffs aren't as dangerous and scary as many people make them out to be, and they're not bad to use on a daily driver unless you mind it skipping a bit at low speeds in 1st/2nd gears.
I've noticed that the people who say welded diffs are so unbelievably dangerous for daily driving are the same people who've never driven a welder before
I bought my Omega back in feb and got it welded straight away, my first rwd car and i've not had any issues with it. So long as you don't drive like an idiot, you'll be fine.
guys im new to the game been around cars all my life and i think i can peddle ok the thing is my first rwd car is a 2.0 MR2 am i wasting my time thinking of spending money on it ie getting a MR2 TURBO swap from fensport or should i go for a 180SX and bin the car i have ? my car has to be my daily driver and idealy need more seats as i have a son and a misses to kart around i live 250 miles away from home at barracks so mileage will be going on the car as well.
Lex
www.dwyb.co.uk
yes a 180xs/200sx or a Skyline would be practical and better platform for drifting than an mr2 turbo
Bradders3535
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Get yourself a few more posts then look in the For Sale section 
Also, you could try asking in the Wanted section! Good luck
Also, you could try asking in the Wanted section! Good luck
Just get it welded
Welded diffs aren't as dangerous and scary as many people make them out to be, and they're not bad to use on a daily driver unless you mind it skipping a bit at low speeds in 1st/2nd gears.
I've noticed that the people who say welded diffs are so unbelievably dangerous for daily driving are the same people who've never driven a welder before
I bought my Omega back in feb and got it welded straight away, my first rwd car and i've not had any issues with it. So long as you don't drive like an idiot, you'll be fine.
any of the members that have been on this site awhile back this up on welded diffs?
Hi guys,
I’ve been racing in amateur rally events over here (think of it as a cross between autocross/gymkhana and real rallying, including mixed surfaces) for 3 years now. My cars were two tiny, old junkers, both FWD, one 45hp and the other 60hp (yeah right: when new maybe). I like to think about myself as a ‘smart’ driver and a thinker, my theory is that when the line is good and you’re smooth with the car the speed will come by itself and that you need to let the car ‘drive by itself’, only gently prodding or tickling it in the right moments and places and you’ll be fine (fine=nice, slight four wheel tire slippage through the whole corner ). At the same time I drive hard, my motto is ‘race now, cry later’ (after my first roll I just asked the co-driver if he was OK, checked if the steering wheel wasn’t loose, shifted it into first and I was away again… I cried only after the finish line when I inspected the damage), I demand the absolute maximum from my cars but I don’t intentionally destroy them: I’m not a car breaker. I shake my head at people who drive their cars like they’re their enemies. In those 3 years I didn’t put a single dent on my cars… well save for rolling the first one and taking out a tire stack sideways with the second… but those were racing incidents. Yep.
Now, I do not come from a rich family. I’m finishing my master’s now and when I'll find a proper job (FIA licensed track marshall does get paid, but the hours are odd and money is not good at all) I plan to first buy a road car and then a new competition car. I’m a realist, and I don’t buy into the whole ‘street/race car’ thing, it just doesn’t work if you really put everything into competition: say you bend a stupid control arm on Sunday: how will you get to work on Monday? Besides, race seats RUIN the looks of ironed clothes.
Now here’s my dilemma.
I already tasted amateur rallying and a little bit of track racing. However, drifting strangely appeals to me (strangely, because I honestly despise the whole ricer/bling/baggy clothes yo yo brotha BS and it seems to be strongly attached to drifting). Thing is, almost 100% I’ll be able to afford only one toy, especially since I plan of racing the s**t out of it, a car sitting in a garage is just an utter waste of space IMO. Also, my drifting would pretty much be only in competition, probably on a lowly level but still. I get no buzz from tearing it up by myself: it gets boring real quick. You should also know I’m no mechanic: I can change a wheel, zip-tie something or tape up a window but don’t ask me for example to change my brakes by myself (I’d never trust myself with such a crucial ‘crash preventer’ part of a car anyway). Besides I’m a fat, lazy SOB.
To make the decision, I’d like to find the answers to following questions:
-from my limited knowledge of drifting, I see it as a troglodyte’s sport: the cars are being massacrated. Now, I’m a realist and I don’t expect a competition car to last longer than 5 years (after that the core of the car, the body shell, starts losing its original dimensions: it goes limp so to say). But I’ve heard real horror stories of rear ends and gearboxes ground to dust, broken driveshafts, blown engines (guess even rev limiters have their limits…) and even body shell stress cracks. Is it really that bad? I can’t afford to tow the car home from each event and have half of it changed, even if it does involve junkyard parts,
-should I take it up? Since a monstrous fishtailing accident 10 years ago (REALLY lucky to be alive… it was a question of half a meter, maybe less) I get stiff every time the car I’m in starts to go sideways: actually this reaction made me spin on the road a few years back: I simply was afraid to countersteer a second time because I was scared of the car snapping in the other direction and fishtailing: so I just locked up my brakes and watched with eerie abandon where would I finally land. That said, the junkers I raced were very nervous beats and were pretty tail happy, especially on loose surfaces: it seems I have no trouble getting at least a bit sideways as long as I’m in ‘the zone’ – a state of mind I get into when the clock starts and the flag drops. Weird. Anyways, should such a person even consider drifting? If so, what kind of psychic obstacles he can encounter? I can only add I’m firmly set on continuing racing until the end of my life (natural… or otherwise: motorsport is dangerous but without a bit of danger how can we truly feel alive?), it’s just a matter of discipline choice,
-over here, people start drifting using old BMWs usually: either a E30 325i or E34 535i, the latter is actually cheaper, has 50hp more than the 325i but is also 200kg heavier: which would be the better performer when it comes to drifting? Which one would be tougher?
Thanks for the answers.
I’ve been racing in amateur rally events over here (think of it as a cross between autocross/gymkhana and real rallying, including mixed surfaces) for 3 years now. My cars were two tiny, old junkers, both FWD, one 45hp and the other 60hp (yeah right: when new maybe). I like to think about myself as a ‘smart’ driver and a thinker, my theory is that when the line is good and you’re smooth with the car the speed will come by itself and that you need to let the car ‘drive by itself’, only gently prodding or tickling it in the right moments and places and you’ll be fine (fine=nice, slight four wheel tire slippage through the whole corner
). At the same time I drive hard, my motto is ‘race now, cry later’ (after my first roll I just asked the co-driver if he was OK, checked if the steering wheel wasn’t loose, shifted it into first and I was away again… I cried only after the finish line when I inspected the damage), I demand the absolute maximum from my cars but I don’t intentionally destroy them: I’m not a car breaker. I shake my head at people who drive their cars like they’re their enemies. In those 3 years I didn’t put a single dent on my cars… well save for rolling the first one and taking out a tire stack sideways with the second… but those were racing incidents. Yep.Now, I do not come from a rich family. I’m finishing my master’s now and when I'll find a proper job (FIA licensed track marshall does get paid, but the hours are odd and money is not good at all) I plan to first buy a road car and then a new competition car. I’m a realist, and I don’t buy into the whole ‘street/race car’ thing, it just doesn’t work if you really put everything into competition: say you bend a stupid control arm on Sunday: how will you get to work on Monday? Besides, race seats RUIN the looks of ironed clothes.
Now here’s my dilemma.
I already tasted amateur rallying and a little bit of track racing. However, drifting strangely appeals to me (strangely, because I honestly despise the whole ricer/bling/baggy clothes yo yo brotha BS and it seems to be strongly attached to drifting). Thing is, almost 100% I’ll be able to afford only one toy, especially since I plan of racing the s**t out of it, a car sitting in a garage is just an utter waste of space IMO. Also, my drifting would pretty much be only in competition, probably on a lowly level but still. I get no buzz from tearing it up by myself: it gets boring real quick. You should also know I’m no mechanic: I can change a wheel, zip-tie something or tape up a window but don’t ask me for example to change my brakes by myself (I’d never trust myself with such a crucial ‘crash preventer’ part of a car anyway). Besides I’m a fat, lazy SOB.
To make the decision, I’d like to find the answers to following questions:
-from my limited knowledge of drifting, I see it as a troglodyte’s sport: the cars are being massacrated. Now, I’m a realist and I don’t expect a competition car to last longer than 5 years (after that the core of the car, the body shell, starts losing its original dimensions: it goes limp so to say). But I’ve heard real horror stories of rear ends and gearboxes ground to dust, broken driveshafts, blown engines (guess even rev limiters have their limits…) and even body shell stress cracks. Is it really that bad? I can’t afford to tow the car home from each event and have half of it changed, even if it does involve junkyard parts,
-should I take it up? Since a monstrous fishtailing accident 10 years ago (REALLY lucky to be alive… it was a question of half a meter, maybe less) I get stiff every time the car I’m in starts to go sideways: actually this reaction made me spin on the road a few years back: I simply was afraid to countersteer a second time because I was scared of the car snapping in the other direction and fishtailing: so I just locked up my brakes and watched with eerie abandon where would I finally land. That said, the junkers I raced were very nervous beats and were pretty tail happy, especially on loose surfaces: it seems I have no trouble getting at least a bit sideways as long as I’m in ‘the zone’ – a state of mind I get into when the clock starts and the flag drops. Weird. Anyways, should such a person even consider drifting? If so, what kind of psychic obstacles he can encounter? I can only add I’m firmly set on continuing racing until the end of my life (natural… or otherwise: motorsport is dangerous but without a bit of danger how can we truly feel alive?), it’s just a matter of discipline choice,
-over here, people start drifting using old BMWs usually: either a E30 325i or E34 535i, the latter is actually cheaper, has 50hp more than the 325i but is also 200kg heavier: which would be the better performer when it comes to drifting? Which one would be tougher?
Thanks for the answers.
1. Drifting does put a lot of stress on a vehicle, more so than other forms of motorsport in some respects and so some things will be fairly likely to fail sooner or later (which could just be an excuse to upgrade the failed item) but wear and tear shouldn't actually be that bad as long as your cooling systems and lubrication are up to the job, so replacing the engine and gearbox after every DWYB shouldn't be an issue.
2. Absolutely, give it a try. The only reason I could think you'd be nervous about skidding is because it is unexpected and uncontrolled, but drifting is the polar opposite of that so it should be fairly easy to overcome. The only obsticles I'm aware of are tyres and cones because if the was ever a place to crash/spin, this would be it so I'm sure they're fully prepared ( and kerbs if you try on the roads, but you wouldn't dream of that, right?
)
3. As for the cars I wouldn't consider myself the defining authority, but if you were stripping/caging both I'd personally go for the E30 325i, but it's mostly down to taste I think so you just have to try a few options out and find your style.
I hope I have helped at least slightly.
2. Absolutely, give it a try. The only reason I could think you'd be nervous about skidding is because it is unexpected and uncontrolled, but drifting is the polar opposite of that so it should be fairly easy to overcome. The only obsticles I'm aware of are tyres and cones because if the was ever a place to crash/spin, this would be it so I'm sure they're fully prepared ( and kerbs if you try on the roads, but you wouldn't dream of that, right?
)3. As for the cars I wouldn't consider myself the defining authority, but if you were stripping/caging both I'd personally go for the E30 325i, but it's mostly down to taste I think so you just have to try a few options out and find your style.
I hope I have helped at least slightly
.Thanks for the reply.
So far I'm pretty bummed that the big wear and tear of drifiting is pretty much what I was afraid it would be. Some new questions, let's say I'd go with the mentioned beemers (or would buy/have a E30 335i built
):
-what would be most likely to keel over first? engine? drive train? that kind of relatively expensive stuff?
-what would be the upgrades I'd need? I know the driver's workplace is the most important thing, so that's interior out of the way. I'm thinking welded diff, suspension, radiator/cooler upgrades, hydraulic e-brake, body/chassis bracing (I'll probably have a cage welded in only after a few practice runs, so I don't blow money on something that might not really suit me in the end)? Regarding suspension, I see people running some mad coilover setups, with zero ride height and hard as a rock: I know they're expensive, but is that optimal?
-roughly how many minutes of drifting does a standard, street tire last?
So far I'm pretty bummed that the big wear and tear of drifiting is pretty much what I was afraid it would be. Some new questions, let's say I'd go with the mentioned beemers (or would buy/have a E30 335i built
):-what would be most likely to keel over first? engine? drive train? that kind of relatively expensive stuff?
-what would be the upgrades I'd need? I know the driver's workplace is the most important thing, so that's interior out of the way. I'm thinking welded diff, suspension, radiator/cooler upgrades, hydraulic e-brake, body/chassis bracing (I'll probably have a cage welded in only after a few practice runs, so I don't blow money on something that might not really suit me in the end)? Regarding suspension, I see people running some mad coilover setups, with zero ride height and hard as a rock: I know they're expensive, but is that optimal?
-roughly how many minutes of drifting does a standard, street tire last?
Really interested in learning to drift, which is the best car to start off with?
Which is the easiest way to learn?
I have been told to get myself down to Santa Pod on a DWYB but does that mean I will need my own car first? Don't think Octavia VRS's are very good to drift in lol
Which is the easiest way to learn?
I have been told to get myself down to Santa Pod on a DWYB but does that mean I will need my own car first? Don't think Octavia VRS's are very good to drift in lol
Dchan
New Member
well guys n gals, im moving to tokyo mid next year and i wanted to pursue my interest in drifting. considering that guys 24-30 with lots of cash and bordem drift for fun lol. i been told by wife- ummm i wanna get into it alot more then i want. im in forida atm and the drift scene isnt that well in the area i live in, so i need some tips on my starter car and what mods i should start out with??so i wait till i go to tokyo to live, b/c my budget will be better and the parts and or cars wouldnt be a problem to find.. some great advice would be great
Learning Drifting- 2%
goal- 70& by january of 2010.
prefered starter car- Silvia s-14, light weight, durable and parts easy to find.
feel free to correct me if im wrong in anyway and i could use all the help i can get thanks.
Dchan
Learning Drifting- 2%
goal- 70& by january of 2010.
prefered starter car- Silvia s-14, light weight, durable and parts easy to find.
feel free to correct me if im wrong in anyway and i could use all the help i can get thanks.
Dchan
short shift
Member
umm probably a really noob question but what actually is offset??
